Re: Yes he did
Posted by mark194 on 2024-July-27 17:08:33, SaturdayIn reply to Re: Yes he did posted by monkeyLostInHead on 2024-July-26 15:59:24, Friday
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Was he acting to illegally overturn the results? Yes. He appeared to think ( mistakenly, it seems) that mike pence had the power to reject results from some states. First of all, yes, it would be very mistaken to think that. Second, it doesn't matter what he thought - that has no bearing on whether he was acting to illegally overturn the election results. If I'm doing 100 in a 35, and a cop pulls me over, and I tell him "Oh, my bad, I thought the speed limit was 100", I'm still getting a ticket. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense. If at least one senator and one representative object to the results from a given state, both chambers vote to sustain or reject the complaint, so maybe he was thinking about that. Ah, so when he said "Mike Pence needs to come through for us", by "come through for us" he meant "object to the electoral votes from a certain state or states" and by "Mike Pence" he meant "Congress". I suppose that's one way of interpreting what he said. If there were evidence of election fraud, then that might give legal grounds for congress to act. Sure, but there wasn't. Trump believed there was. For the third time, no, he didn't. Trump's own staff, not to mention the courts, the justice department, and the department of homeland security, repeatedly told him that there wasn't evidence of election fraud. Unless you're going to argue that trump is literally insane or otherwise severely mentally impaired, there's no possible way he couldn't have known his election fraud claims were false. Either way, how is asking mike pence to overturn results, an insurrection? That by itself wouldn't be (it would just be an attempted soft coup). A mob breaking into the Capitol while the election results are being certified in order to get them overturned, however, is an insurrection. |
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