Hmm... I see your point...

... but I'm still not sure I agree. I'll never forget Sam. Nice guy! Was a good friend. But, in my mid-twenties, he introduced me to a little "kinky" thing he liked. I had never ever considered such a thing! It would have totally turned me off! But, suddenly... Well, that's anecdotal evidence, of course, but that certainly would seem to me definitive proof that not *all* fetishes develop before the age of 8. I'm sure this has been carefully researched, as it is legal. I'd look into it, but actually, I'm all tied up at the moment... Just kidding! I beg to differ on much of the rest of your analysis, as well. Surely studies have been done (after all, tying someone up and beating them with whips is clearly legal and acceptable, not at all like putting a kid's penis in you mouth to bring him to orgasm). Be interesting were he to go to Canada and try out your suggestion. I'd be very interested in hearing the results. Do you have a source on the "millions who... and haven't experienced significant religious..."? I'd like to read it. And, have cross-cultural studies been done on this? In non-western countries is the occurrence so prevalent? Oh, and I'll have to look up "c&bt". I guess the "b" is bondage. Well, I'll know very soon... Well, I have to stop here, I'm all beat. No, no, that's not what I meant... --------------- Masochist to sadist: "Beat me!" Sadist, pauses, thinks, then says with a smirk, "No!" Masochist: "Aaaaagghhhhh!!!!!" --------------- (Nowhere in this am I "hinting" I am into S&M. But, nowadays, if you joke about something, everyone jumps to conclusions. Why, just the other day, I saw a cute young boy, and said to a friend, "Gee, I'd bet his little dick tastes sweet! And now that friend thinks that I'm some kind of pervert! Sheesh! Go figure...) ;-)