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I could legitimately write a book about this topic

Posted by Silent_Insanity on 2020-July-31 05:49:25, Friday
In reply to Let's talk about boys in shorts... posted by Sick Rose on 2020-July-31 02:43:06, Friday



There is so much to talk about this subject that I honestly would not even know where to start and I fear I will end up being scatter brained going off onto wild tangents like I already have been doing in my mind. I'll try though...

So fun fact, that link you provided (https://www.boychat.org/messages/1294814.htm) was one of the first posts I saw when I seriously began lurking here. My interest in boys has expanded with age, but the very beginning core of my love has always been boy legs, and shorts in particular. I would even -prefer- to see boys in shorts over speedos. I still do! Back around in my high school days I was browsing around the old website MisterPoll and found the first group of people who shared these specific interests (boys in shorts, and boys in uniform shorts in particular). Over time, it seemed to become rather repetitive though and every comment seemed to be saying the same thing. I was so excited to see people like me! Albeit, likely a good 2-3 times my age as they were reminiscing, while I was day-dreaming. Oy vey, I was born in the wrong time period. Close to this time I had found albums being posted of boys in shorts on a website that cannot be named and found more people with similar interests. Not long after was when I found a few discussions here also about boys in little shorts, with other posters being a big fan of it. It was comforting to find.

Let us go back to the statement of preferring boys in shorts over speedos, yet strongly wanting to make sure they are very short shorts thought real quick. What on earth is the logic of that? Why would 2 inches of fabric make such a difference to me in sexual appeal? Speedos show more of the boy! And really short shorts would not cover much else either. Well, I think there is some advanced psychological explanation there, probably beyond my knowledge. After nearly 20 years of trying to process it, I think it is the idea that shorts are an outer dress, a "final" dress. When the outer clothes are revealing, you are stuck being exposed. A speedo, or swimming shorts is not short of being attractive; they certainly have their own appeal. Howwwever, this is a casual setting and it is about convenience for swimming, technically being more like an underwear. Casual shorts, are similar, relaxed and the mentality is "I just threw these on. They are easy", like this boy written into the early Pokemon days:

"I Like To Wear Shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear"
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-like-shorts-theyre-comfy-and-easy-to-wear)

This does not mean I do not enjoy seeing casually dressed boys though! Moving to a particular preference, when a boy is dressed up in fancy clothes, a specific, well-fitted and designed uniform that includes shorts that are nice and trim, obviously short, this is on purpose. It is obviously by design. In this case, it is not something the boy just threw on. Every day he is waking up having to pull up those shorts, every single day. He is "stuck" in them, per se. He pulls up those shorts, which keep getting shorter and shorter as they make their way up to his hips, he puts on his socks, gets his shoes on, and there is no wiggling out of it. In this case, he cannot pull the inseams down his thighs like boys do with longer shorts (when boys in longer shorts play, constantly pulling the inseams down like they did when I was growing up). They just have to be used to their thighs always being on display. And interestingly enough, these uniforms were planned. This is where I think the appeal starts to sharpen for me, trying to process how this happened in SO MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES around the world! This UNSPOKEN agreement, so many people had about boys wearing shorts. Japan, UK, South Africa, Germany, Ukraine, USA, Australia, all over the globe. They come in versions of jean shorts, as lederhosen (and leather variants), corduroy, cotton, each culture having a slight twist to it but the principle being the same - boys traditionally wearing short shorts.

I'm at a fork in the road of like 4 different places to take this conversation right now.

Okay going back to that 2012 post you mentioned (https://www.boychat.org/messages/1294814.htm):

1) How can boys be so oblivious to their obvious sexiness in such cute uniforms?

I have asked myself this same question. Of course, each boy is different. Some are more self-aware, some are oblivious. I was very aware of the sexual appeal of boys with their thighs exposed when I was in school, even early grade school. In my case it was taboo and rare, so it was like hunting for such eye candy, instead of being so abundant.

One idea is nudity is sometimes quite relaxed in a culture. I grew up in what I would consider to be a hypersexed society. As I mentioned earlier, boys around me growing up were constantly pulling down inseams to their shorts any time they crept above their knees. Many boys would not join sports because of how short the uniforms were (maybe 2 inches above the knees when standing in most cases). And boys who did not have this habit would even sometimes be teased for not minding their legs being exposed. It is almost as if it became SO taboo, people were looking for it. Some other places seem to be quite more comfortable in their skin. Nudity did not immediately have to be sexual. It simply was not even a second thought, just a habit. I do a lot of people watching and whenever I see a boy wearing shorts that are shorter than the norm, I watch the adults too. I will see faces of confusion, or even comments such as "you're growing out of those!". I have read many posts about this topic involving questionnaires on boys/guys wearing shorts, and nearly all girls would be saying it was "gross". One response was "I don't want my boyfriend wearing the same shorts as me. Granted, I do not particular care if grown men wear short shorts either. Some men pull them off though!

A counter-argument to this though was obviously many boys secretly enjoyed these days where they and all other boys wore short shorts. The posters on MisterPoll wishing they can go back. Kink sites where men want to wear their schoolboy uniforms and be spanked. Something happened in their early days of their childhood that sparked such a specific interest.

A closing thought to this question is so much goes unspoken. We all have our secret thoughts we tend to keep to ourselves (although internet has helped us get it out). It is probably the case many boys know they are damn sexy but they also get bored easily, or have a short attention span (haha). For unspoken secret thoughts, that leads to the other question:

2) How can adults play so oblivious to the sexiness of such cute uniforms?

Yeah, I'm going with "play" oblivious. You have the stereotype of dads forbidding their daughters from wearing short shorts, because it obviously has sexual appeal. We have a long history of women in many cultures being "slut-shamed" when they do expose themselves. And yet boys were REQUIRED to stay in short shorts in many instances? "Because it looks cute". Well of course it is cute, but tell us how you really feel. No, teachers and school staff, including men AND women, there is no doubt in my mind they loved going to a job that had boys at that prime of beautiful, hairless thighs exposed, all day, every day. "Wait, I get paid for this too?"

I mean, I am going to be biased here, but it STICKS out. Uniforms that have LONG sleeves, yet their shorts are barely longer than their coat. Then with knee socks, you literally have the entire boy covered except for his face, hands, and nearly his entire thighs. Coincidence? Highly doubtful. The arms are made sure to be completely covered, and the shorts are trim, form fitted, and short. Young boys are easy to make shorts long, you have to sort of go out of your way to make sure the shorts are snug and well up the thighs. "Well it did save cost on material". Again, there was lots of clothing being worn on boys, just anywhere BUT their thighs. It would make more sense to make the shorts long and baggy to save money to give them plenty of years. I have some pictures of boys in TINY shorts for school that leave no room for growth (if you know what I mean) and it was not because that particular boy was tall. That was the case for all the boys around them. Boy had a smaller waist? His length became shorter too.

Alas, another supporting piece of evidence to boys being in little shorts being agreeably sexy to most, is how eventually that changed in many circumstances. Some parents began becoming upset at such uniforms, speaking of concern it will encourage sexual appeal.


Switching topics a bit, we've got a solid thousands of years of culture that explores the pure beauty of boys in general. The fact people now days are in such denial to this long history that far outweighs the very narrow span of time opposing it, calling it a sickness, is what I find irritating. There are statues of naked boys, paintings of boys. Boys boys boys, all over history. Male beauty may have even been a thing before female beauty was explored so much. Not to be insensitive to girl lovers though, just focusing on the history of boy sexiness right now. To make another rather large argument that could be a debate in itself, we do see plenty of instances in the animal kingdom where males are the sex that is meant to be pretty, and catch attention. So all I am saying is it makes sense for males to be pretty.

Focusing back on boys in shorts. What is my ideal scenario? Pretty close to yours! Although, you lost me a bit when you said:

"Younger boys with thin legs could wear longer, to-the-top-of-the-knee shorts, perhaps with knee length socks."

I still like younger boys with thin legs! Nothing wrong with skinny legs! Sure, I prefer the thighs to be a little filled out, but I very much love slim. Unfortunately, there is currently a huge trend on being "thicc", where many people are finding bigger people, with bigger thighs attractive. Girls and boys are even being shamed and teased for being skinny now. It sucks...

While the idea of enforcing and requiring boys to be stuck in short shorts, no exceptions, no excuses, is very arousing and I love the thought, a quick disclaimer for me would be that I think realistically it is important that the boy enjoys how he feels and has a pleasant experience. Non-consensually putting boys in shorts, making them feel embarrassed, does have the potential to make them anxious or stressed. I would have fought such rules to hell and back, kicking and screaming. I was very self conscious as a young boy.

Of course, one could argue that when it is ALL boys, it is normal, and thus would decrease the anxiety. No boy gets stuck in shorts while the other boys get to be in longs (although that seems to be a very popular fetish).

Maybe the happy medium here would be STRONGLY encouraged. I just hesitate at the word of forced. Required, if considering it realistically, no matter how much I would want to admit to preferring if it was completely required with no exceptions. Hell, if I was "ruler of the world", who knows, I probably would want to make that the rule. It could be to "please the king" ;), instead of focusing on having to punish otherwise. I think I would feel guilty sometimes though.

On that topic, what would happen to the boys who refused to stick to such strict protocol of having to only wear short shorts, banned to ever cover their thighs except a rare case of being too cold (although as you've noted, boys in cold places around the world have proved this near impossible)? What is a fair punishment? Should it really get to the point of having to use brute force?

What protocols would have to come into play here to make sure boys stayed in their proper dress? For example, would stores not carry long pants for boys under a certain size? Would boys be banned from entering buildings, gatherings, stores, if caught in pants?

And yes, I also grew up where parents thought it absurd for kids running outside in states of undress. Kids in shorts (boring knee length anyway) were made fun of for it. Even in my teens I have had older guys approach me in a grocery store parking lot to say "hey, it's not shorts weather today".

To be honest, I think boys staying in uniform short shorts in the coldest times of winter has an epic appeal. There they are in gloves, a beanie, undershirt, overshirt, coat, a scarf, thick socks, warm shoes...and completely naked thighs. YUM! And hey, thighs are probably the least likely place to freeze on the human body anyway, especially when the rest of the body is covered to warm the blood along the way.

When should a boy be allowed to stop? Hard to say. Realistically? Not sure. What I think would be ideal? Boys would be allowed starting at 14 years old to apply for longs. It would be an application process that is voted on, first the parents having to give their approval, but then a wide variety of other approved judges. Of course, they would have to model the shorts properly and submit the pictures with their application. Failing to do so would be an automatic deny. The pictures would need to be a minimum HD clarity, focus, good brightness, and have to follow specific positions. This is to prohibit any attempts of making themselves look less appealing than they really are, just because they think they should get to wear pants.

The positions that come to mind would include my favourite - kneeling. Without getting into D/s dynamics here, I will just say for now a comfortable kneel with hands off the thighs to give proper view. A sitting photo, like at a desk, from a view of looking down on the boy (as if standing over him) would be another necessary angle...especially since that is an angle they would be seen a lot in school! Of course, there could be more. Applications would only be allowed to be submitted maybe once every 6 months.

This makes sure not cute boys slip through the cracks and get to longs too early. The teens who still pull them off will have to manage. I suppose in this instance, that means they would have to see their peers moving onto longs. Then at 18 years old, they can be lifted from the requirements.

I share that preference that 2" inseams should be the longest permitted. Furthermore, I like the idea that a boy has to make sure to show at least as much thigh as calves. Ankle socks? Shorts better go just below the butt then. I love the idea of boys having to accept this rule, even if they are uneasy at first. More on my preference, I actually think the shorts should not have a long waist. I used to sag my shorts to make them longer as a quick fix. This will ensure that if boys don't wear their shorts way up (like what was popular in some history), they are still stuck with their entire thighs exposed. Sagging would only get them maybe an inch or two, but also would be obvious and require correction. On that topic, I think belts should also be enforced to be worn. It again goes with that "final" interest, where they are "stuck" exposed. It would almost too inconvenient to change into pants to play when the got home even if they wanted to. Japanese style short shorts really seemed to have this nailed down! They took the cake on tiniest shorts with literally no wiggle room.

We could even go further and get into talking about it being a custom that boys shave their legs too. Leg hair on boys being eventually adopted into mainstream culture as bad, unappealing. Once the first hairs start coming in, dads teach their boys how to shave their legs. It is not considered feminine, girly, or weak. Expressing their beauty instead being encouraged, complimented. Yearbooks having a "best legs" or "wears the best shorts" section that boys get voted into. Boy beauty being appreciated and encouraged.

Alas, I doubt that last part will ever actually happen. Not within a few generations, and certainly not within my lifetime. We can still hope though.

Thank you, this was fun to write about!


- Silent Insanity

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