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Posted by Phaino on 2025-December-4 10:57:42, Thursday
In reply to Re: Ourania versus Pandemos posted by Pharmakon on 2025-December-2 14:00:41, Tuesday

That's fair. I'm honestly not too sure why I suggested it was Plato's thought specifically, though I don't think it particularly matters. It's moreso just about the point being conveyed IMO, it could be from Jeffrey Dahmer for all I care.

IMO, I think that Aestheticism, Decadence, and the Uranians should have much more of an impact here than they seem to. I've said it before, but I find it bizarre how little they seem to be relevant to most pederasts nowadays beyond some aesthetic poetry, despite them almost laying out a blueprint for how to live and love, and leaving behind many cultural artefacts.

The Greek elements seem to only be used when it's favourable. Again, probably a me thing, but as I'd quite readily call myself a pagan, it somewhat baffles me that an aesthetic paganism isn't a thing in pederastic circles. It was somewhat existent in the fin-de-siecle with The Order of Chaeronea. Though, the Order seems to have little actual practice beyond a pederastic Freemason-esque fraternity.

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