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Re: The Draft Argument for 12+
Posted by Errant on 2024-July-21 01:53:45, SundayIn reply to The Draft Argument for 12+ posted by BLueRibbon on 2024-July-20 03:59:02, Saturday
"extreme anti-MAP laws and values often push MAPs to engage in potentially harmful behavior instead of preventing it."Ugh... Not this stranger danger bullshit again. "...forcing people who wish to view PIM to use 'underground' websites..."This increases harm? What does it matter if you get AI child porn from an underground website or not? Even if it's illegal, it would be illegal regardless of where you got it from and the viewer would be harmed by getting locked up either way. "at 12+, MAPs with an AoC that straddles prepubescence and early adolescence would face extreme pressure to avoid sex with prepubescents."I don't know the truth of that, but the rhetoric to counter that would be that by setting the bar lower you'd endanger younger children even more. You're only thinking of pedophiles but the antis are thinking of children. Why would they agree to bring the age of consent closer to younger children just so that some pedos can stay out of prison by getting it on with older children? "It is quite plausible that harm prevention is not the primary reason for AoC laws..."Of course it's the primary reason. Just because they take a zero-tolerance position (which is certainly flawed and ripe for criticism) doesn't mean they don't care about harm. "pushing MAPs to prioritize 'safety' in sexual relationships instead of prioritizing youth welfare.I have no idea what this means. I thought you were saying that criminalizing sex increases risk of harm. I have no idea what you mean by "safety." "... adolescents are typically described as disobedient, rebellious, antagonistic, unwilling to yield to authority figures, and highly skilled at manipulation."As you mention later, teens are also described as impulsive. Contrasting teens and preteens is interesting up to a point, but it doesn't give the antis any reason to lower the age of consent. They can turn around and just as easily compare teens to full adults and make the same case you make for 18 instead of 12. "... there are many countries that still have horribly poor attitudes to women"This is an unconvincing comparison. Pointing to a country that's ass backwards on equal rights for women isn't a convincing case to be more like them and tolerate power imbalances. "For homosexual men, attraction to adolescents is the most common, followed by attraction to prepubescent boys and then attraction to adult men being the least common."Do you have a citation for this? "... the evolutionary concept of group selection works in our favor here... "No, it doesn't. You might as well say that group selection supports the idea that idiocy is beneficial simply because it's so common and hasn't been bred out. "With its current approach, society risks making monsters out of very decent men."All the more reason to lock us all up.  |
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