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''What you can 't say'' is not the right question

Posted by Errant on 2024-June-20 03:07:49, Thursday
In reply to 'What you can 't say' posted by Sick Rose on 2024-June-19 13:42:56, Wednesday

According to the infamous quote apocryphally attributed to Gandhi, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win. I think this succinctly delineates three stages of activism which dictates more than anything what can be done for the time being.
1. The fight to be seen... (Visibility)
2. The fight to be heard... (Voice)
3. And the fight to persuade. (Reason)
Debating which arguments would be most effective presumes we are at stage 3 when we are in fact at stage 1. Society ensures that we are ignored, deeming us monsters so that none of us dare show our faces, let alone speak up. And if we are fighting first for visibility, then neither does it follow that what we say is futile and that we should curl up into a ball and hide until capitalism falls into the sea. The content of our arguments may not land, but the fact that we're making them and attempting to break through is of primary concern. We first need to show that we live and breathe, that we exist.

I've had my own criticism of various types of activism, but I generally think at this stage there is no such thing as bad activism so long as we're clear that the current goal is to spark some attention, even negative attention (no violence, please). That's our goal at least until we get to the point at which we cannot simply be ignored. Just look at the article Vivant posted above after you posted. It's an article about a mother who tried to get the pedos off her kid's Instagram account and realized that she just had to accept that the pedos would always be there. Maybe that's not much and maybe that doesn't qualify as conventional "activism" (certainly not the kind of plain vanilla pedo activism that BLue Ribbon favors), but it shows that there are times when the normies have to accept that we're not going away no matter how much they try to bury us. We are simply at a point where we can't afford to second guess what counts as good activism or bad activism or what counts as activism at all. We can't afford to worry about what the normies think about us at a time when the problem is that they have the luxury of not having to think about us at all.

"Boys and girls differ in fundamental ways and have fundamentally different needs when it comes to socialization. Boys need men in their lives."

Even if any of that were true (or true to an extent that it would matter) normies also have the luxury of not needing to avail themselves of pedophiles to fulfill the needs implied. On the flip side, there are plenty of masculinists who are not pedos who are saying some of the things you're saying about gender. It's only among the polished elite that such utterances are taboo.

"A sexual encounter between a boy and an older man is far less likely to be traumatic for a boy than a sexual encounter between a girl and an older man."

Meh. Could be a lot of things short of needing to throw GLs under the bus. If girls produce more oxytocin which promotes bonding, then the insecurity or loss of those bonds due to external circumstances could be more devastating for girls than for boys. Normalizing those relationships would go a long way towards remedying that. Plus, men have a tendency to neglect girls' needs in a way they don't necessarily neglect with boys. Misogyny is not self-justifying. Ultimately, the cult of childhood innocence doesn't care if you have singled out boys as being special and deserving of special sexual privileges. You'd need to dismantle the former in order to promulgate the latter and by then we'd already have won anyway.

In any case, the task before us is one of humanization. Not just humanization of the pedophile, but also humanization (i.e. de-infantilization) of child sexuality. The possibilities are out there.

Errant

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