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I never said that it does always lead to "the parent killing the child" go back and re-read my last post to you. so what did ... this is what it always fucking leads to! mean then? What I am saying is that trying to force someone to be something they can't be always leads to a negative outcome (and sometimes death). Ok, but wanting boys to be taught to man up is not that. And how are you determining that its "something they cant be"? Now you can continue to advocate the for "beat them" until they are "men" crowd or agree with me that it is a bad thing. No I dont. I dont agree with either. If you are specifically saying "beating a child in order to get them to act in the way you want them to is wrong" then sure, I agree with that. But telling someone to "man up" is not the same as that, and does not always end with the parent beating the child. That was your initial claim Those that want boys to taught to 'Man Up'... ... this is what it always fucking leads to! take the kid in the article for example: He was 3. He was never going to meet the expectations the adult put on him, no matter how much negative reinforcement was inflicted on him. This is nothing to do with "be a man". Its to do with the 2 adults in the situation being horrible horrible people. You just have to see their photos to see that. If it hadnt been "be a man" it would have been something else. You have absolutely no idea what went on in that house, what happened, or why, other than the tiny amount of info given in that article. You leapt on the "be a man" boot camp and filled in all the rest from your own imagination. |