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Re: Dear Orange Turtle: Would I spank my child?

Posted by monkeyLostInHead on 2023-November-9 12:12:09, Thursday
In reply to Re: Dear Orange Turtle: Would I spank my child? posted by Manstuprator on 2023-November-9 01:27:05, Thursday

I assume when you say, "puts them at risk" you mean that spanking usually or always "causes" certain other behaviors?

No, thats not what "puts at risk" means at all, and you know it.

"They could commit violent crimes." "Could" (as well as "can," "may," "might,") introduces probabilities. What would you estimate the probability of that being true? On a scale of one to ten, one being not probable and 10 being almost certain?

What would you estimate the probability of a child continually running into on coming traffic if they havent been hit by their parent? Because you are doing exactly the same thing with your "argument". You wrote a blatantly made up story about something that might, or could, happen.


Science is the only thing we have to try to tease out what is real from what is not real.

Hahaha what? What science have you provided to justify your position that hitting children is ok? Heres what you have provided so far

1) animals do it, so it must be ok
2) heres a story I made up about a fictional boy with a death wish who is constantly running into oncoming traffic.

Theres plenty of scientific studies on the adverse effects of spanking. You might not agree with it, but its there.



BUT -- when dealing with very young children (up to the age of around 4 or 5) reasoning does not work well (if at all).

That may be your experience. Its not mine.

physical punishment can be very effective in eliminating the dangerous behaviors when it is done immediately after the undesired behavior (but if more than a few minutes have passed after the behavior, the effect is lost) at least, according to the best evidence available. A child up to the age of 4 or 5 will usually avoid behaviors that he/she has been physically punished for (if the physical punishment is immediate and the child clearly associates it with the behavior).

oh, look, you used "can" again, which you pulled up the OP for using. Funny that.
But, even ignoring that, and even accepting that what you say here is true( which I dont for one minute accept), that still does not mean you should hit your child. Because, there are other ways of dealing with it that do not involve hitting your child. You are trying to imply that hitting is the only way. Its not.


The argument that using corporal punishment always makes the child think that violence is an acceptable way to deal with resolving conflicts with others ignores a number of realities and lacks nuance.


No it doesnt.

In fact, if young people came to believe that a single swat on the behind were the acceptable way to resolve the majority of conflicts between individuals, then I think that society in general would see a lot LESS really serious violence.

Its not a swat. You are hitting a child.

Imagine two men arguing in a bar. One decides to physically attack the other in an effort to dominate him. So he swats the other, with an open hand, on the other's buttocks. Which the other then reciprocates. They continue doing this until one or the other gives in. Wouldn't that be better than a fist fight?

Lol, are you insane? In what world has that ever happened, or would ever happen? We have had your method of hitting children for thousands of years, and I can guarantee you that what you outline here has never occurred in the history of the universe. If what you say is true, then we should be seeing this, because are you not teaching them by hitting them that "a single swat on the behind were the acceptable way to resolve the majority of conflicts between individuals"?
Here you are simply making shit up again in order to try and support your position.

Do you think that the "swat" I have described above is likely to become sexual in the mind of a child?

Its not a swat. You are hitting a child.


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