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Re: American MAPs should disown 'their' country

Posted by Eric Tazelaar on 2025-June-28 05:45:50, Saturday
In reply to American MAPs should disown 'their' country posted by BLueRibbon on 2025-June-21 04:04:22, Saturday

"Even though admitting that you are a MAP is not yet illegal..."

Actually, we are protected by the U.S. Bill Of Rights in that regard. We can't be punished for proclaiming our love although there are plenty of individuals who we would then have to be careful of and law enforcement who would most likely keep an eye on us. That's certainly been true for me. But we are free to say it and free to organize and discuss it with like-minded others, as we are proving here on this forum.

These protections on speech and association are ones that no other countries have as a protection of the individual to the extent that we do.

The Europeans don't have this; we saw our Dutch friends tried and convicted and sentenced to prison for organizing as "MAPs." The U.K. doesn't have this.

In order for that protection to no longer be true in the U.S., the Bill Of Rights would have to be repealed or for the judiciary to completely ignore it. That hasn't happened and I think it unlikely, although MAGA is an ominous wild card. SCOTUS did debase the First Amendment by upholding laws against c.p. but the Bill Of Rights is still largely intact and working to protect us in the States.

I have come to believe that we are behind the times by continuing to focus primarily upon the U.S. for the dark ages that have befallen us. It may have started with the U.K. and the U.S., but the rest of the world is so terrible for us now that it doesn't make much sense to continue to single out America.

It's possible that positive change is MORE likely to first occur in the U.S., even if it's unlikely to be anytime soon. If there is to be a pendulum, should we be hopeful, then there is some intuitive logic to that hypothesis. It's hard to imagine that happening in Asia, with its fundamental authoritarianism.

We may be able to go to other countries and have some semblance of a better life than in the U.S., but it will be despite their governments and will almost always be accompanied by significant dangers. It's easy to love the freedom in another country until the day it is taken away. Then it often becomes truly hellish.

It feels good to take out our anger on the U.S., at times (and I certainly have), but it could be that we need to take a much more expansive view of the world and to consider how it might be made more hospitable to us and the boys we love. I would suggest doing rather more of the latter, i.e., focusing on their rights to love, affection and sexuality.

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