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How often do you hear the actual voices of other BoyLovers outside of BoyChat? Not that often... Here are some of their voices. Do what they say resonate with you? Would you say similar things, if you were interviewed?


“The Main Thing Is Being Wanted’: Some Case Studies on Adult Sexual Experiences with Children
by Chin-Keung Li, PhD
Dykebar Hospital, Paisley, Scotland
(BOOK CHAPTER)

SUMMARY. Pedophilia is always considered by mainstream society
as one form of sexual abuse of children. However, analysis of
the personal accounts provided by pedophiles suggests that these
experiences could be understood differently. This paper attempts to
document some aspects of the pedophiles’ construction of their sexuality,
to provide illustrations of how these individuals understand
themselves.

INTRODUCTION

Pedophilia is legally a crime in most western countries, and it is
considered a mental disorder by orthodox psychiatry.’ In official
and research statistics, pedophiles are included within the category
of child molesters. To many professionals concerned with the protection
of children, pedophilia is synonymous with child sexual
abuse, and is reckoned as a very serious social problem. Pedophiles
are to be arrested and imprisoned, or, within a rehabilitation framework,
to be given therapy or other behavior-changing treatments.
Very rarely does one hear an academic or a professional speaking
out in defence of pedophiles.’

Are all pedophiles violent child molesters? Or are they, as one...

Chin-Keung Li is Senior Clinical Psychologist, Psychology Department,
Dykebar Hospital, Grahamston Road, Paisley PA2 7DE, Scotland, UK. The research
on which this paper is based was carried out while the author was at the
Institute of Criminology, University of Cambridge.


...pedophile has argued in a book, gentle and loving people?’ There is
a great need for giving voice to the viewpoints of pedophiles, not
least because they are rarely heard. We must let them speak for
themselves. It is through listening empathetically to their accounts
that we can hope to achieve a dialogue with them and consequently
a better understanding of their experiences.*

APPROACH

This paper is based on about 100 hours of tape-recorded material
that I have gathered from 27 men who have had sexual contact with
children. All of these men were volunteer informants who agreed to
participate in my study without remuneration. Twelve of them were
introduced to me by several psychiatrists, but they were under no
compulsion to take part in my project. Also, it was made clear to
them that their participation in this project would in no way affect
their relationship to their psychiatrist. Three other informants were
contacted through a pedophile organization, and the rest (twelve)
via an advertisement in a magazine.

Because the subject of the study was a very sensitive issue, it was
difficult to get in touch with a large number of suitable informants.
Therefore I placed no restriction on the type of people I interviewed,
except the basic requirement that they must have had some
sexual experience with children. I took great care to ensure that all
informants took part in my study out of their own free choice.

It was not always possible to ascertain what each participant’s
reason for participating was. Nevertheless, some of them did mention
that it was the first time they ever had the chance to talk about
their experiences in detail with somebody who was willing to listen,
and this gave them the feeling of being understood. Perhaps this
desire to communicate with another person motivated these men to
respond to my request. Needless to say, I assured all my informants
that strict confidentiality would be kept of any information they
might provide, and also that this project was an academic pursuit
which had no connection with any government agency. The aim of
the study was to document how they construe their sexual experiences
with children.

The phrase “how they construe their experiences’ is of paramount
importance here. To construe experience is to interpret events, to
give form to occurrences, to make sense of what is happening, and
to carry on one’s life in the direction that these interpretations and
constructions entail.’ Human existence is ‘subjective,’ in the sense
that it is the ‘subject? who exists—it is the ‘I’ who carries on the
‘existence.’ I want to understand how my pedophile informants
have understood their sexual life as an experiencing subject. This
point is of fundamental importance, because there is no pedophilia
as an entity of its own right, there are only individual persons who
experience sexual feelings for children. The search for a categorical
etiology or pathology for pedophilia as an objective entity will mask
the rich complexity of the unique life of the individual concerned,
and will reify the subjective human experiences involved.

This study consisted of in-depth interviews with individual pedophiles.
The aim of each interview was to let the informant talk
freely about his experiences with children. I was not looking for any
particular type of accounts, nor was I testing any specific hypothesis.
My role was as an unprejudiced researcher seeking an understanding
of an area of human experience that only my informants
could clarify. I communicated this clearly to them. I used open-ended
questions as far as possible to avoid leading the informant to
a particular way of describing his experiences. During each interview,
I maintained, as much as possible, a non-imposing and receptive
style of interaction with the informant, so as to encourage him
to speak frankly and freely about what he believed.

Granted all this, however, it is possible to argue that what the
informant believes might not be the ‘objective’ or ‘real’ situation he
is in. To this challenge one could argue that what is real is not
something out there independent of the human observer. To an individual
person, reality is what he construes to be real. Still, it could
be argued that at best each informant’s account is a rationalization
of his own behavior. This, however, is not necessarily a problem. If
we take ‘rationalization’ not in the pejorative sense as something
‘false’ or ‘unreliable,’ but in its etymological sense of being ‘related
to reason,’ then we could accept, indeed we have to say, that the
informant’s account constitutes his effort of giving reason or meaning
to his experience. This is precisely what my study wants to
document.

The situation in which the informant’s account was produced was
one in which I asked him to reflect on, to explain, to justify, indeed
to ‘rationalize’ (to give reasons for), his sexual desire. It was a
dialogue between a sincere listener and the pedophile. The situation
was not one in which the informant ran the risk of incriminating
himself by what he said; it was not a police interrogation in which
he had to defend himself. Therefore, I expected that his ‘rationalization’
was more likely what he believed, and hence what I wanted
to understand. Even if what he has told me represents more his
fantasy than actual occurrences, the material still reflects his understanding
of his desire.

From what is said above, it is clear that the focus of this study is
on the pedophiles’ construction of their experiences. This, however,
is just one side of the coin —there is also the children’s experiences
to be reckoned with. An important question in this regard is
whether the children involved construe their experiences differently.
Hence it is desirable to carry out a study which compares
pedophiles’ construction of their experiences with that of the children
involved. However, practical limitation in terms of time, resources
and access to children has made it impossible to do so in
this present project. Nevertheless, the collecting and analyzing of
pedophiles’ accounts is in itself an important task towards attaining
an understanding of this particular type of human experiences.
In the analysis, I tried to reconstruct from what each informant
had told me his understanding of his sexual desire for children.

Then I examined the explanatory accounts given by all the informants,
and drew out the elements common to their construction.
While these elements are not necessarily present in the account of
every informant, they do provide us with some insights into the
self-understanding of these individuals. In the following sections, I
will discuss thematically these various elements of the pedophiles’
construction of their sexual experiences. Needless to say, these case
Studies are not to be taken as representative of all those people who
have had sexual encounters with children. Each person has a unique
life history. This work can only claim to be a documentation of
some relevant cases. But it is my conviction that our understanding
will slowly deepen as this process of documentation progresses further.

‘I AM BORN LIKE THIS!’

This is a prominent feature in the accounts of about one-third of
my informants. These individuals feel that their sexual desire for
children is a natural part of their constitution. This desire is variously
described as ‘inbred,’ ‘innate,’ ‘a fact of nature,’ ‘inherent in
them,’ etc. The leitmotif of their accounts is ‘this is me’ or ‘just the
way I am.’ The following is an example of this type of construction.
Tom is a 25-year-old businessman from a fairly rich family.
From adolescence onwards, Tom gradually realized that he had
strong sexual desire for boys. He felt he could only attribute this to
an innate disposition as there was nothing in his life that he could
identify as responsible for this development. This is his description:
I can offer no explanation for my feelings, it is inherent in me, it
is just something that comes naturally to me. To be honest, you
know, I think it’d always been in me. I don’t think it’s sort of
one stage that happened that converts me over to that. (...) It’s
not something that happened in my life that changed me totally,
it’s always been there.
This understanding of the innate nature of their pedophilic desire
underlies my informants’ feeling that they cannot change, and that
they have the same right as people who are born otherwise to pursue
the expression of their sexuality.

THE SPECIAL APPEAL OF CHILDREN

Over half of the informants have mentioned specific characteristics
in children which they find particularly attractive. Thus to
them, relationships and sexual activities with children are experienced
as much more satisfying than those with adults. These relationships
are their first choice, rather than a substitute when adult
sex is lacking.

In these informants’ accounts, children are portrayed as gentle,
warm, generous, innocent, truthful, broadminded, affectionate and
perceptive, whereas adults are described as selfish, narrow-minded,
materialistic and without depth of feeling. Interaction with children,
as my informants have experienced it, is much more enjoyable than
that with adults because the informants do not have to put up a
social facade, they can simply be themselves.

In this context, pedophilic activities are often construed by the
informants in terms of childhood play. The account of Nick provides
an example that highlights some of these points. All through
his adult life, Nick, who is 33, has had many relationships with
boys, some of which have been sexual, some not. The relationship
that he treasured most, with an Arab boy of 9, did not involve sex.
Nick felt that he was accepted as part of the boy’s family, and he
thoroughly enjoyed the three years they spent together. When the
boy eventually left Britain, Nick experienced a tremendous loss.
This is how he expressed his feelings:
Nothing is the same after he left, you know, just like (pause),
just like the world has lost its color (sighs), every, everything
was different.
Besides this Arab boy, Nick was also very fond of his two nephews.
Again, sex was not involved. To him, the relationship between
himself and his nephews was one of affection and love. It
was the boisterous play he had with his nephews and their friends
that gave him pleasure and a sense of fulfilment. They played rough
and tumble games, they played football, they went camping and
searching for adventures and mischiefs, they visited amusement arcades,
they looked for fun. Nick described his pedophilic desire in
the following way:
I like kids because I didn’t have any other, real, great experiences
with adults when I was a kid. You can’t learn to be
pedophiliac, it’s something that happens, it’s a form of
growth, growth that makes you a pedophiliac. It’s the way
you’re brought up, experiences you had, experiences of being
unloved, experiences of having difficult relationships. (...)
For me, without the spirit of children around, I’m alone.
(Weeps) I have to look—this is difficult—I have to look for
things worth living for. (...) Youth comes into it, the spirit
comes into it. ’Cos it’s not just sex. I enjoyed their company.
Lots of things come into it. Sex, to me, sex is a very small
part, you know, in a relationship with a boy. Sex is, you
know, the smallest part. "Cos I’ve had hundred of relationships
with boys without sex coming into it. (. . . ) Spirit is the
charisma of childhood, that is, hmm, that is, childness. Just
the fun, the innocence. Sex isn’t the main thing, the main
thing is being wanted I suppose.
To many pedophiles, the childhood world represents the best of
life, while the adult world the worst. Pedophilia is not primarily a
matter of sex, but of love, of being wanted, of childhood enjoyment,
of things that the adult world cannot provide. The following
extracts from some other informants’ accounts illustrate this contrast
between the adult and the childhood world:
Children get involved in sex with each other, because they
don’t feel it’s wrong, you see. Now you can meet a child and
you can say to a child, should we play doctors and nurses or
whatever, and they know what you’re talking about, and they
do it to each other, sometimes they are willing to do it with an
adult. (...) I suppose, you can say that I’m slightly immature,
haven’t lost my childhood. Childhood is a very, very
short sort of time in your life, goes too quickly, and it’s very
sweet, you know, it’s all innocent. You know, you do things
which you don’t do as adults, I mean, if you’re a child, you
can take your clothes off and lunge into a river, to swim,
you’re quite free, you have no inhibitions. But if you strip off,
as an adult, you get arrested! (Keith)

Children are immeasurably perceptive, but by the time they
have grown up, society has dealt them a deadly blow, and their
perception has fled for all times. (George)

Children are warm and generous and it is only when they get
older and they learn the ways of the world and ask what’s in it
for me or what is it worth. When that happens they lose all
their charm and enchantment. (Jack)
The attraction of the childhood world is so great that Paul, another
informant, expressed the wish to never grow up:
I am very much a Peter Pan, the boy who never grew up. That
is why boys are attracted to me. I don’t look down upon them
as kids, I regard them, and they me, as ‘all boys together.” My
deep love for boys for so many years is so much a part of me
psychologically that growing up would be impossible.

NORMAL PURSUIT OF PLEASURE

While mainstream society looks at adult-child sexual activities as
pathological and criminal, most of my informants feel that these are
normal pleasure-seeking activities. Eight of the 27 informants have
articulated a defense of pedophilia in terms of cultural relativism
and sexual liberation: human sexual practices are culturally conditioned,
thus there can be no absolute standard; normality is relative,
so pedophilia cannot be a priori deemed abnormal.

Simon is a 74-year-old retired salesman, a respected person in his
local community. Throughout his long life, he has had numerous
sexual encounters with boys. He has a special knack of relating to
boys, and can easily establish relationships of trust with them. He
believes that his sexual attraction towards boys is inborn, and that
the pursuit of mutual pleasure with a willing boy is normal and
legitimate. This is how he put it:
As a boy-lover, I feel that it’s up to me to take advantage of a
willing boy. I don’t see anything wrong in that, because I do
not — let me get this quite clear, I don’t go out seeking boys for
my pleasure, I don’t go out encouraging boys for my pleasure.
I only encourage boys who come to me and want me to have a
bit of sex play with them, and that has always been my angle. I
have never ever forced a boy.
The following quotations, from two other informants, illustrate
how the argument of relativism and liberation is articulated to jus-
tify the ‘normality’ of pleasure-seeking through sexual activities
with children.
There is the historical aspect. In the Middle Ages children
were not children in the sense we speak of these days. Probably
pedophilia went on regularly within and outside families. I
assume that hundreds of years ago sex with younger females
was just not noticed. Before ‘alcoholism’ was recognized,
people who got themselves into a state were called lazy, good-for-
nothing scoundrels etc. etc., get the point? (Kevin)

My contention is that an adult can have a relationship with a
child in a way that does not harm, and indeed, helps, the child.
I consider myself to be an adult capable of such a relationship.
Other adults might be more selfish in an adult-child encounter
and end up harming the child. By banning and stigmatizing
adult-child encounters, our society has ensured that such instances
as do still occur are almost always of the bad kind, so
giving the active opponents of adult-child encounters an argument
for even heavier clampdown. If adult-child sex was commonplace,
the majority of it would surely be good for both
participants and, therefore, not something to be discouraged.
Indeed, because the adult would be able to teach the child from
an informed standpoint, many of the childhood misunderstandings
about sex that come from child-child encounters
would be avoided. (Bruce)
Implicit in the sexual liberation viewpoint, as illustrated by this
quotation from Bruce, is the argument that adult-child sexual activities
have positive educational value to the children involved. Jack
also made this clear in his account:
If everybody could have an experience at an early age, some
kind of experience with an adult, people would not have nearly
as many problems as what they do have, and I think that’s
why, sex with children, I think it’s an extension of that, hmm,
teaching them what I’ve learned. But it got to be done in a
nice, pleasant way, you can’t force anybody.

MUTUAL AFFECTION AND LOVE

Whether they feel that they are born pedophile, or that pedophilia
is a normal and legitimate variation of human sexual expression,
most of my informants have stressed the experience of love, affection,
or closeness in their encounters with children. The sense of
emotional contact with another human person is as important as, if
not actually more important than, the excitement of sex. Among
these informants, four have explicitly articulated their experience
with children in terms of romantic courtship and love.

Ben is a 36-year-old businessman. From early childhood on-wards
he felt that he was only attracted to males. Then as he grew
older, he gradually realized that this attraction was to boys rather
than to men. He also realized that what he wanted was a stable
relationship of love with a young teenage boy. The following extracts
from his account show how Ben construed his pedophilic relationships
in terms of romantic love.
Most important thing I look for, I suppose, is a loving relationship
with a boy, and, although I’ve had physical relationships
with probably, I don’t know, maybe a hundred or more boys
over the years, I can only point to four or five true relationships
over that time. (. . . ) As emotions become more involved,
and the relationship becomes longer established, so
does the child’s involvement become greater. The bond develops
out of a mutual need for love and affection. The bond is
nurtured and develops further out of both of us doing things for
the other person even we’re not necessarily particularly interested
ourselves, yeah? Now, it’s not the case with the one at
the moment because he enjoys the sex as much as I do if not
more, but I know that in the past, there may have been occasions,
I mean once the relationship is established, where the
boy would—I have to differentiate this from force or whatever
—but I mean there may have been occasions where the
boy would make love because I wanted to, all right? Hmm, he
may have been actually ready to go to sleep. That’s the other
side of the coin to me watching the go-kart for three hours,
OK? Hmm, we all become trained, not Pavlovian, but trained
to a degree that we know that somebody wants something recognized,
and we recognize it, yeah? Not because it interests
us, but because we know that they want it recognized. The
thing that’s mutual is the love and affection, all right? Out of
that affection, we do things for each other.
The presence of a relationship of love in a pedophilic encounter is
also of paramount importance to Charles, another 74-year-old informant.
This is how he put it:
To me the important and salient consideration in the validity of
the experience is the presence of love, or slightly less than
that, affection. Anything outside this is possible but in no way
significant.
Thus to these men, pedophilia is construed as a matter of romantic
relationships, not as casual sex. The experience of romantic love
is sometimes emotionally very intense, comparable to that which
obtains in the socially acceptable forms of heterosexual courtship,
and the partners can sense subtle cues from each other. An example
of such intense feelings (‘falling in love’) can be found in the description
provided by Paul, a 57-year-old golf club greenkeeper,
about his encounter with a 13-year-old boy:
He stopped, my blue eyes and his brown eyes just met. For
seconds, which seemed like hours, neither of us spoke. He
then said, excuse me, Sir, could you tell me where the head
greenkeeper is? I explained that he only had to go along the
path for about 40 yards. He thanked me profusely and slowly
mounting his bike and rode away, giving me a smile, the likes
of which I had not seen for many years. It was obvious that
something between us had clicked. I was transfixed, I started
trembling, my legs weakened, I could not concentrate on my
mowing. Yet I had six hours of non-stop mowing ahead of me.
My mowing became automatic, I was oblivious to the playing
members and visitors who spoke to me whilst I stopped my
machine whilst they tee’d off. I was in love, love deeper than I
had ever before experienced. Was that beautiful boy applying
for a greenkeeping job?

CONCLUSION

The extracts from the accounts of my informants discussed in this
paper illustrate the subjective feeling involved in a pedophile’s experience
of sexual attraction towards children. This may take the
form of a fascination with the innocence and the lack of inhibition
in children’s life and activities, as well as a desire in the pedophile
to remain in childhood. It may also involve a condemnation of the
hypocrisy of the adult world, and a rejection of the latter’s absolutist
moral standard. To some pedophiles, their relationships with
children are constituted by an intense love and affection. In such a
relationship, as construed by the pedophile, there is a mutual recognizing
and accommodating of each other’s needs and desires to foster
the growth of love. The interaction involved is experienced as
spontaneous, and the partners understand each other. Thus on the
whole, most of my informants have construed their sexual contact
with children in a very positive light.

It must be pointed out that this paper is only trying to place into
focus the salient features of pedophilic experiences as seen from the
perspective of some pedophiles. What has been discussed above is
not meant to be taken as typical of every pedophilic relationship.
Perhaps some researchers will find in these personal accounts evidence
to ‘pathologize’ the individuals concerned,° but such an attempt
at reducing a person’s life to a diagnostic category or an etiology
masks the complexity of human existence. Like every one of
us, a pedophile is constantly in the process of creating a personal
world to anchor his existence. A very vivid example is Keith—his
life is situated in a world that he has virtually built up himself. A
visit to his room will reveal to the visitor the richness of this
world —numerous car models, vehicle paraphernalia, gramophone
music records, small pieces of wooden furniture which he himself
has made, and pictures of children cut out from magazines, pasted
on papers and bound together into many volumes.

As Nick, another informant, has remarked, ‘sex isn’t the main
thing.” To many of my informants, sex does not constitute the
whole of a “pedophile’s’ life —it is only a part of it, albeit a meaningful
part. To call a person a ‘pedophile’ may in itself be reductionistic—
as if that person’s desire for children constitutes the
whole of his life. This reducing of a person into a narrow category
is part of what has been called the ‘discourse of sexuality’ which
permeates western society,’ and it controls the life of individuals
through deploying such labels of sexual identities as ‘the homosexual,’
‘the lesbian,’ ‘the impotent male,’ ‘the pedophile,’ etc. These
labels imply that the essence of the individuals concerned is thoroughly
known and that these people must be placed in certain welldefined
positions in society (e.g., as outcast, prisoners, or failures).
Within such a scheme of things, individual personhood becomes
impossible.

While to a certain extent this discussion seems to be endorsing a
relativization of the concept of ‘normality,’ it is not my intention to
defend all types of sexual contact between adults and children. Lust
murder of children and coercive sexual contact must be ruled out as
unacceptable no matter how these acts are construed by the adult
committing them. But when it comes to the question of consensual
adult-child sexual activities, there is much more room for alternative
constructions, and hence it is more difficult to arrive at a blanket
judgment. However, total relativism is not the answer, as it
would only lead to solipsistic chaos. Personal life, though individually
subjective, must nevertheless be lived in the context of a community,
because this is the form that human existence has taken
throughout our development, both phylogenetically and ontogenetically
speaking. Therefore, it is important that the pedophile takes
into consideration reality as construed by the community in which
he finds himself, not necessarily to submit to society’s demands,
but in order that he can construe reality more adequately if he wants
to continue living in this community.’

The discrepancy between pedophiles’ views and those of mainstream
society has to be examined critically to see if there is any
possibility of achieving an optimal balance between individual
rights and collective responsibility. In dealing with this problem, it
must be borne in mind that the viewpoint of mainstream society
cannot simply be taken as correct and that of the pedophiles taken as
suspect. Instead, each should be analyzed in terms of its historical
and ideological roots. Only after such an exercise can we begin to
address the more practical questions of ethics, the law, and social
policies with regard to sexual contact between adults and children.

NOTES

1. While ‘pedophilia’ as such is not an official offence category, sexual contact
with underage persons is criminalized by various sexual offence statutes concerning
‘unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor,’ ‘indecent assault,’ “buggary,’
‘indecency with children,’ etc. With respect to psychiatric classification, the current
edition of both the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(American Psychiatric Association) and the International Classification of Diseases
(World Health Organization) have categorized pedophilia as a mental disorder.

2. Perhaps one notable exception is the Dutch lawyer, Dr Edward Brongersma,
who is an outspoken defender of consensual pedophilia. See Brongersma (1980,
1984).

3. Tom O’Carroll, the ex-leader of the now defunct British Pedophile Information
Exchange, has attempted to put across to the public such a view. See
O’Carroll (1980).

4. Parker (1969) and P. Wilson (1981) contain biographical material of some
pedophiles, and can be taken as studies that provide a channel for these people to
speak for themselves.

5. The use of the terms ‘to construe’ and ‘construction’ in this paper follows
the inspiring work of George Kelly (see Kelly 1955). Kelly’s work is reflexive,
that is, it can subsume its own theoretical and research activities within the framework
it provides. Hence my own work here represents my effort in construing the
reality of ‘pedophilia,’ it is my construction of my informants’ construction.

6. Wilson & Cox (1983) contains accounts from a group of pedophiles, but the
researchers’ interpretation represents a “pathologizing’ of these people’s experiences.
This ‘pathologizing’” is one construction of the ‘reality’ about pedophilia,
but it is not necessarily the only possible one.

7. Foucault (1979) has used this concept to analyse the emergence of the very
notion of ‘sexuality’ in western society, and how this ‘discourse of sexuality’ has
effected the subjugation of the human body.

8. I have discussed some of these issues in my PhD dissertation, Sexual Experiences
of Adults with Children: An Analysis of Personal Accounts (1986), University
of Cambridge, and also in Li (1988).

REFERENCES

Brongersma, E. (1980). The meaning of ‘indecency’ with respect to moral offences
involving children. British Journal of Criminology, 20, 20-32.

Brongersma, E. (1984). Aggression against pedophiles. International Journal of
Law & Psychiatry, 7, 79-87.

Foucault, M. (1979). The History of Sexuality, Volume 1: An Introduction. London:
Allen Lane.

Kelly, G.A. (1955). The Psychology of Personal Constructs, Vol. 1 & 2. New
York: Norton.

Li, C.K. (1988). A PCP interpretation of sexual involvement with children. In F.
Fransella & L. Thomas (eds), Experimenting with Personal Construct Psychology.
London: Routledge & Kegan Paul.

O’Carroll, T. (1980). Paedophilia —The Radical Case. London: Peter Owen.

Parker, T. (1969). The Twisting Lane. London: Hutchinson.

Wilson, G.D. & Cox, D.N. (1983). The Child-Lovers. London: Peter Owen.

Wilson, P. (1981). The Man They Called A Monster. North Ryde, New South
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SOURCE:
Male intergenerational intimacy : historical, socio-psychological, and legal perspectives
The Haworth Press, Inc., Routledge: Taylor & Francis Group, 1990
Theo Sandfort & Edward Brongersma & Alex van Naerssen, eds.


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