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Re: Long monkey post! Let's go!

Posted by mark194 on 2024-June-18 16:08:41, Tuesday
In reply to Re: Long monkey post! Let's go! posted by monkeyLostInHead on 2024-June-18 14:01:10, Tuesday

Can we trust the medical institute of sexual health? I dont know for sure, they might not be scientific, or might have some bias.

I don't know either, but we can assume so for the sake of argument. If we do, I didn't see anything in the article you linked saying that casual sex can lower oxytocin levels. As such, I don't think it provides evidence that casual sex reduces the capacity to pair bond, for women or otherwise.

I read the abstract for the other thing you linked, and I did see something that seemed to support what you're saying:

Finally, in adults, loss of a partner results in multiple disruptions in OT signaling, including decreased OT release in the striatum, which is caused by an activation of the brain corticotropin releasing factor (CRF) system.

The statement that loss of a partner (as would happen with casual sex) impacts oxytocin release and signaling would seem to support your point that casual sex negatively impacts people's/women's ability to pair bond. However, the article goes on to say:

The dramatic behavioral consequence of partner loss is increased depressive-like behavior reminiscent of bereavement. Importantly, infusions of OT into the striatum of adults prevents the onset of depressive-like behavior following partner loss

which seems to be saying that the effects of the above described disruption in oxytocin release and signaling are sadness and mourning-type behavior - in other words, the type of behavior typically seen from romantic partners that break up. What I took from this is that, since these effects are a transient state rather than a permanent one, this disruption in oxytocin function is temporary, rather than some kind of permanent or long-lasting damage, which is how you seem to be characterizing it.

If I'm misreading something, either in your argument or in the article, please feel free to point it out.

You do not have to accept it, of course.

Well, if you present evidence for your point, then I have to accept it, otherwise I'm being irrational or intellectually dishonest. So far, I think you've provided fairly convincing evidence that oxytocin is important in forming and maintaining bonds between people, and I agree with this point. However, I don't think you've provided convincing evidence that casual sex can lower levels of oxytocin in a lasting way and thus negatively impact pair bonding, so I don't accept this point for now.

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