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Re: Feminism

Posted by diogenes on 2023-December-3 04:10:05, Sunday
In reply to Re: Feminism posted by Pharmakon on 2023-December-3 01:42:01, Sunday

Thanks for your response!

I don't dispute the diversity in the literature. But literature is literature. You can always find some authors that are less blinkered than others, but I don't think this cancels the fact that as a movement feminism is absolutely centred on a discourse of sexual vulnerability, harm and the absence of consent. These are not peripheral to feminism. They are feminism. This is the feminist narrative that is absolutely dominant in our culture. It is largely responsible for our oppression.
Your view that contemporary feminism is "our inveterate enemy" is incompatible with your claim that women are no longer oppressed in advanced economies. If feminism had ended female oppression, it would not find itself "mak[ing] sex into an endless realm of potential trauma to be policed by the state."
I do not see at all where this incompatibility lies, and I don't follow your argument. You seem to be saying that just because feminists are able to present sex as a realm of endless potential trauma this means that they are genuinely oppressed.

To me "listen to women" is uncomfortably close to "believe the victims". We should be critical of all narratives, including those that claim oppression or victimhood. Claiming to be oppressed is not the same thing as being oppressed. You have admitted that the feminist movement is now middle class and serves the interests of middle class women. Middle class American women are not oppressed. So the conclusion should be that feminism does not seek to liberate anyone. Instead, it is a movement of repression - and it aims to repress us utterly, to wipe us off the face of the earth if it's at all possible. We are the actual Damned of the Earth, and the stronger feminism has become the worse things have become for us.

This is how it seems to me. I don't know if there were Jews in 30s Germany who thought that an alliance with the Nazis might work to their advantage. It is, I suppose, possible. After all, the Nazis (so they might have reasoned) are the future, so to hope to defeat them is simply reactionary. And they have some good ideas, don't they? They want to construct an organic society in which everyone has a role, in which unemployment and anomie are alike abolished, and all can feel themselves part of a great collective project. There are fascist governments that are not in fact anti-semitic. If only German Nazism could be cured of this little silliness about disliking Jews, then all would be well …

To expect anything from feminism except further repression still seems to me to be utterly fantastic and unrealistic.

diogenes

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