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Optimism is our opium.

Posted by diogenes on 2023-November-11 10:11:58, Saturday
In reply to Atomic Pederasty posted by Errant on 2023-November-11 04:50:11, Saturday

A great many point in there, but, to be honest, I think we start out from such different places philosophically that we are unlikely to see eye to eye. Well, if we were both stuck on a desert island together for some months, maybe then we would be able to discuss all these issues properly until we arrived at a consensus. Short of that, I see little prospect for agreement. I think the difference between you and I might be that ultimately I look to the past for inspiration, whereas you look to the present and the future - a necessarily imagined future, because we don't yet actually know what it looks like. I would argue that it is more practical to be inspired by the past, because the past is a great treasure house of ideas that have actually been implemented, and whose results we can see. The future, on the other hand, is a glittering, enticing mirage. Optimism is our opium. "The future" has failed us again and again. Yet we, like the rest of the population, are kept docile by the idea that, in the words of the New Labour anthem, "things can only get better".

I think your progressivist assumptions are displayed in your saying that "The world has moved on". "Moving on" implies progress. For what it's worth, I don't believe that pederastic mentorship presupposes the relative poverty of the boy's family. This wasn't true in ancient Greece, so far as I understand it, though Edmund would know more than me on this matter. I don't see why an education in civilised values, with eroticism at its heart, has to be confined to poor kids. On the other hand, poverty has hardly disappeared, and arguably poorer kids would particularly benefit from such relationships, and would be less drawn to crime and drugs. Maybe our society pays a heavy price indeed for its dismissal of mentorship pederasty.

diogenes

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