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Posted by Sick Rose on 2023-November-5 13:07:53, Sunday
In reply to Re: Prisoners of Debate Club posted by The King of Zembla on 2023-November-5 01:45:26, Sunday

I think you are referring to this passage:

"The tranny issue – cis-gendered/trans-gendered, gender-neutral bathrooms, people being punished for using the 'wrong' pronouns, boys wanting to cut their penises off and being encouraged to do so by their parents and the state – strikes me as the most consequential development (for us, at least) since the emergence two generations ago of the socially sanctioned adult gay identity."

in this post: https://boychat.org/messages/1517162.htm (also linked below).

I went on to note that "We called that one wrong (the emergence of the socially sanctioned adult gay identity) with disastrous results." And that I hoped we could avoid making "similar mistakes" again vis-a-vis trans.

It's been more than five years since I posted those words. Given that another five years is your life expectancy for this board, perhaps you might indulge me in reflections on whether I overstated things and, if so, how.

Well, I agree completely that

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1. Feminists are our primary adversaries.
2. Analyzing gender is useful primarily as a means of providing insights into the ways that feminist supremacy operates--like for example, how our perceptual instincts privilege females over males.
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although I would qualify that by noting that the emergence of feminism as the primary adversary may be as much symptom as cause. As I put it in a slightly earlier post,

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Did womens' entrance into the paid workforce require as a prerequisite that women take charge of their own wombs, or did womens' sexual freedom allow them to enter the workforce? One was not cause and the other effect; each factor ratcheted up the other. Certainly the machinery of capitalism, sniffing out as it does any opportunity to commodify any and all aspects of life and turn them into cash, invaded the home and pushed or pulled women into the paid workforce. The advent of the pill freed women from the biological consequences of sex, bestowing something like the natural (as opposed to social) risk/return factors men had always faced. The post-industrial transformation of the economy progressively devalued male brawn and competitive orneriness while increasing that of the quintessentially female virtues of docile, accommodating, beelike industry.
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From: https://secure.boychat.org/messages/1507868.htm

TPKA Scotusbaby has maintained that with the complete shutdown of the pederastic avenue as a route through which boys can explore questions of sex and identity, trans has taken its place. Boys have always faced the question of whether they are cut out to be men and if so how, but in today's world that question, with the political and cultural ascendancy of trans, comes in the form of "am I a boy or a girl?"

So, yes, the trans issue assumes at least enormous symbolic importance, although I have come around to seeing it (like feminism-as-principal-adversary) as springing from more fundamental causes which Pharmakon alludes to in the OP with his quote from Rind.

And yes, with you, "I believe MAP politics is predicated on a fatal flaw." The very term "MAP" itself -- prissy, made-up term as it is -- points directly to that fatal flaw: it is not rooted in ordinary language. No one who had read Wittgenstein, Orwell, or the opening paragraphs of the Communist Manifesto could have coined such a howler as a label for an identity -- or a "movement."

You're probably right that "BC presently lacks the structure to justify great investment" although I am curious about your use of the word "presently" since the structure today is the very same structure that it was 28 years ago when the board was started. It has been (for me, anyway) a very useful place to work out ideas without the need for self-censorship but I concede that it may interfere with more useful work -- can be a kind of addiction.

The board may or may not survive for five years or longer. It has, as you know, survived murder, suicide, the arrest of its leadership, internecine warfare among its posters, periodic attempts by the most powerful political and cultural entities on earth to erase it -- not to mention technological transformation and, from time to time, sheer boredom and exhaustion. But all that, I concede, is no guarantee -- no guarantee at all -- that it will continue to survive.

I hope it does but I'd be a fool to count on it. (One reason I save posts I think worth saving.)

As long as it does, I hope you will continue to drop by from time to time to season it with your sharp, tongue-and-mind-tingling observations, and that the work you are doing elsewhere (I'm trying too) will help us all get through the night that is coming with something worth handing on to our successors, assuming there are any.

SR
Sick Rose
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