That pushes all my buttons

"Yet most societies that celebrated pederasty did so precisely for its "masculinizing" effects -- to show boys how to be men." Growing up the way to masculinize boys who might be a little wimpy was to beat the crap out of them. I don't think that is what you are meaning to say through. But I think you need to clarify what you mean by that and enumerate what qualities make a man. Boys like all people are not one size fits all. Whether you frame it as "Most men have the capacity to be attracted to boys" but some do not..... Or That a small percent (Oh, lets call them heterozeros) don't have the capacity to be attracted to boy (which s what I have been fucking saying all along) It the same thing. The thing is that I think I agree with the spirit of what you are saying so long as one understands that some boys will never be able to meet all the expectations. If not, it just becomes the polar opposite of what we have now except now you have the heterozero kids as well as the fabulous gay kids and gender minority kids all being oppress by us. That don't work for me:) Everyone needs a place to fit in..... even the ones we don't like! International Boylove Day BoyWiki