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Re: Parental sovereignty entails....

Posted by Hammer Kaiser on 2017-February-21 06:48:43, Tuesday
In reply to Parental sovereignty entails.... posted by Pharmakon on 2017-February-21 04:46:04, Tuesday

Parental sovereignty entails the slavery of boys, so hardly anything we can support.

Well, I felt much better with the idea of being "enslaved" by my father than the idea of being enslaved by a GOVERNMENT. At least one can usually bugger off from their parents if they really want. Much harder to escape a totalitarian government though.


The boylove movement is historically leftist, and expresses that in its opposition to parental sovereignty. But it finds common ground with you in your contention that, if parental authority is disregarded, a boy's own judgment as to his sexual capacity should in general be respected. Furthermore it seems to me that you take total responsibility for executing your parental responsibilities, that is, you accept that if your offspring should choose sexual self-determination in disregard of your determinations made on their behalf, you accept that that would be a failure of parenting on your part at least as much as an act of unjustified rebellion on theirs. I respect that acceptance of responsibility.

Yes. If let's say I was a fanatic prude and didn't want my offspring to have any sexual relations (for whatever reason), but I didn't do enough to ENSURE that they wouldn't, and merely just trusted them, and I found out that they had disobeyed my instructions and gone and fucked someone, I would see that as just as much a failure on my part as the failure on my offspring's part to obey me. If I had have taken more responsibility and cared ENOUGH I should have had a chaperone present with my offspring at ALL times while they were away from my house.

Another very important thing that logically goes part and parcel with parental sovereignty is that under NO circumstance other than one involving INITIATION OF FORCE should an outside party in any way bear ANY responsibility in a case when an offspring defies parental instructions not to interact (sexually or otherwise) with an outside party. In other words, let's say I said to my 10 year old daughter "Don't go and fuck that man down the road there", and she goes against my instructions and fucks him anyway, then the blame fully lies on my daughter for ignoring me, NOT the guy down the road who is guilty of nothing more than becoming involved in an activity that had been agreed to by both parties through the process of mutual consent. It is NOT the responsibility of an outside party to establish how "old" my daughter is or if she is still under my authority. He should be able to interact as if he were completely BLIND. It is simply IRRELEVANT if an outside party so happens to become involved in an activity that I have forbidden my offspring to indulge in.

In a case where I didn't want my 9 year old daughter to fuck the 60 year old guy down the road and I FAILED to instruct her in advance not to fuck him and she goes and does it, then, naturally that is in no way my daughter's fault at all, but 100% MINE.


The fly in the parental sovereignty ointment, of course, is that many or most parents will not agree with you that the age of speech is the age of consent. And you cede to them the right to make this determination for their offspring. Thus you abandon many or most children to sexual (or antisexual) slavery of the most arbitrary character, dependent upon the chance of birth. Nothing irritates us leftists more than deferral to the accident of parentage. You know, nobility and all that -- it left a bad taste in some of our mouths.

Parental sovereignty is merely a stance held by ME and I will set my own rules. I don't care about anyone ELSE and what they do or whether the rules of some parents might not suit some MAPs. I am not god, so I can't control how everyone else chooses to run their family. No doubt there will be some parental sovereigntists who believe their offspring are so retarded to be capable of consent that they would need to be older or much older than when they can speak. That's just too bad, but at least different parents would still have many varying ages they allow their offspring to indulge in various things. You just need to have the patience in finding the right parents.
Hammer Kaiser

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